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		<title>Comment on How To Keep Your Data Forever by Christopher Camps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Camps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nuno

That old drive you&#039;re putting in storage, you can technically just destroy it. Keeping it acts as a 4th (aka &quot;crazy&quot;) level of redundancy.

You have copied all its data to your new machine. That data is now getting replicated on the 3 newest drives according to the guide.

Thanks for your comment though, I&#039;m happy people are still reading this 3 years later!</description>
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<p>That old drive you&#8217;re putting in storage, you can technically just destroy it. Keeping it acts as a 4th (aka &#8220;crazy&#8221;) level of redundancy.</p>
<p>You have copied all its data to your new machine. That data is now getting replicated on the 3 newest drives according to the guide.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment though, I&#8217;m happy people are still reading this 3 years later!</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Keep Your Data Forever by nuno</title>
		<link>http://www.christophercamps.com/archives/how-to-keep-your-data-forever/comment-page-1#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>nuno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello,
this is kind of late commenting, i am sure, as your article is now nearly 3 years old.

but i have been thinking about this matter recently (i haven&#039;t researched it that much yet, though) and i find an issue with your strategy:

 - ultimately, you keep the last copy of the data (if i read correctly) on one drive, stored away, safely.

This is what bothers me. That drive will still be prone to failure. Even if you store it away inside a nuclear protected bunker, eventually, 5, 10, 20 years from now, the circuitry may be damaged, the motor may have rusted, some part of the ultra sensitive magnetic surface may have oxidated. Magnetic information fades away.

It doesn&#039;t seem to be a permanent way to keep family photos and things of the sort. In 20 years, even a cheap, bad quality print, if stored away with minimum care, can be viewed. And more so with printed paper works.

I don&#039;t really think it is possible to store away electronic information. it probably needs to be always &quot;live&quot; and being transferred to newer, and newer drives, as they come along.

nice text, though :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello,<br />
this is kind of late commenting, i am sure, as your article is now nearly 3 years old.</p>
<p>but i have been thinking about this matter recently (i haven&#8217;t researched it that much yet, though) and i find an issue with your strategy:</p>
<p> &#8211; ultimately, you keep the last copy of the data (if i read correctly) on one drive, stored away, safely.</p>
<p>This is what bothers me. That drive will still be prone to failure. Even if you store it away inside a nuclear protected bunker, eventually, 5, 10, 20 years from now, the circuitry may be damaged, the motor may have rusted, some part of the ultra sensitive magnetic surface may have oxidated. Magnetic information fades away.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t seem to be a permanent way to keep family photos and things of the sort. In 20 years, even a cheap, bad quality print, if stored away with minimum care, can be viewed. And more so with printed paper works.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really think it is possible to store away electronic information. it probably needs to be always &#8220;live&#8221; and being transferred to newer, and newer drives, as they come along.</p>
<p>nice text, though :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Keep Your Data Forever by Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.christophercamps.com/archives/how-to-keep-your-data-forever/comment-page-1#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our solution is not necessarily for Home use but if you need 6TB or more then just check out our site.  It is the coolest thing you will see in awhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our solution is not necessarily for Home use but if you need 6TB or more then just check out our site.  It is the coolest thing you will see in awhile.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Keep Your Data Forever by Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.christophercamps.com/archives/how-to-keep-your-data-forever/comment-page-1#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 01:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A simple way to backup, and how I do it.

Every month or so I will boot Ghost or TrueImage from a cd and duplicate the system drive. And then, I&#039;ll just filecopy using windows explorer, all the digital photos and mp3&#039;s, and journal, and other important data onto the backup drive too.

I use USB hard drives for this purpose. And somewhat less often I&#039;ll back those up once in a while.. It really doesn&#039;t take much time at all. And for added safety, you can take one of the drives offsite.

It is important to practice restoring your data, especially the system drive. Always verify your drive images and backups.



*** Really, if your a home user, all you need is 2 external usb drives, and ghost or acronis trueimage.. For the cost of less than $150 you will not have major headaches. Do it once a month, or whenever you  make huge changes to your system or when you get a ton of new invaluable data, like vacation pictures or something and got some free time. No complicated raid stuff, or scheduling, or swapping drives or worrying about online services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A simple way to backup, and how I do it.</p>
<p>Every month or so I will boot Ghost or TrueImage from a cd and duplicate the system drive. And then, I&#8217;ll just filecopy using windows explorer, all the digital photos and mp3&#8217;s, and journal, and other important data onto the backup drive too.</p>
<p>I use USB hard drives for this purpose. And somewhat less often I&#8217;ll back those up once in a while.. It really doesn&#8217;t take much time at all. And for added safety, you can take one of the drives offsite.</p>
<p>It is important to practice restoring your data, especially the system drive. Always verify your drive images and backups.</p>
<p>*** Really, if your a home user, all you need is 2 external usb drives, and ghost or acronis trueimage.. For the cost of less than $150 you will not have major headaches. Do it once a month, or whenever you  make huge changes to your system or when you get a ton of new invaluable data, like vacation pictures or something and got some free time. No complicated raid stuff, or scheduling, or swapping drives or worrying about online services.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Keep Your Data Forever by Cora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People should read this.</description>
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		<title>Comment on How To Keep Your Data Forever by brigitte cayrasso</title>
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		<dc:creator>brigitte cayrasso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi</description>
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		<title>Comment on How To Keep Your Data Forever by Jean Doute</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Doute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 07:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More!</description>
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		<title>Comment on How To Keep Your Data Forever by Wahoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wahoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing!</description>
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		<title>Comment on How To Keep Your Data Forever by Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the nice clear explanation! I&#039;d like to add something else, another very similar method that suits smaller scale computing. I operate from a laptop and my critical stuff is tiny compared to the amounts of data described in your excellent article.

I have a 60gb macbook which contains everything I hold dear. I mirror it (?correct term) once or twice a week to an identical sized external firewire drive. I&#039;ve then got a bootable perfect copy of my laptop drive that&#039;s never more than a few days out of date.

I continuously backup my important files in the background to both an offsite destination (in the the sky for all I know, but I&#039;ve checked it&#039;s safe!) and to a windows computer in my house which is pretty much always turned on. Crashplan does this very well. I&#039;ve never tried Mozy. It&#039;s encrypted before it leaves my computer which is important for me - I&#039;ve quite security conscious and use file vault on my macbook. My important unique data (documents/unique music/photos) only amounts to about 20gb. Most of the music can always be got again. Much of my unique data doesn&#039;t change from day to day so internet bandwidth isn&#039;t an issue for the offsite uploading.

Combine these two methods and it&#039;s pretty close to bullet proof and quick to recover as well. My laptop drive died only two weeks after initiating this very simple routine. All I had to do was hook up the bootable firewire drive, download the files which were new or changed in the four days since I made the image and I was up and running again in a time measured in minutes rather than hours. I had to then get a new drive for the macbook and transfer the image onto it to get mobile again.

I haven&#039;t really thought how this would scale up. I don&#039;t think it would be as good for people who have huge changes in data from day to day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the nice clear explanation! I&#8217;d like to add something else, another very similar method that suits smaller scale computing. I operate from a laptop and my critical stuff is tiny compared to the amounts of data described in your excellent article.</p>
<p>I have a 60gb macbook which contains everything I hold dear. I mirror it (?correct term) once or twice a week to an identical sized external firewire drive. I&#8217;ve then got a bootable perfect copy of my laptop drive that&#8217;s never more than a few days out of date.</p>
<p>I continuously backup my important files in the background to both an offsite destination (in the the sky for all I know, but I&#8217;ve checked it&#8217;s safe!) and to a windows computer in my house which is pretty much always turned on. Crashplan does this very well. I&#8217;ve never tried Mozy. It&#8217;s encrypted before it leaves my computer which is important for me &#8211; I&#8217;ve quite security conscious and use file vault on my macbook. My important unique data (documents/unique music/photos) only amounts to about 20gb. Most of the music can always be got again. Much of my unique data doesn&#8217;t change from day to day so internet bandwidth isn&#8217;t an issue for the offsite uploading.</p>
<p>Combine these two methods and it&#8217;s pretty close to bullet proof and quick to recover as well. My laptop drive died only two weeks after initiating this very simple routine. All I had to do was hook up the bootable firewire drive, download the files which were new or changed in the four days since I made the image and I was up and running again in a time measured in minutes rather than hours. I had to then get a new drive for the macbook and transfer the image onto it to get mobile again.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t really thought how this would scale up. I don&#8217;t think it would be as good for people who have huge changes in data from day to day.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Keep Your Data Forever by Jsnock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jsnock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is still not failsafe. What if all 3 drives have the same flaw and fail at the same time.  I would prefer to do an online backup instead of messing with having a box permanantly at a friend/relative&#039;s house.  What happens if both houses have pipes break or accidently spill something on both computers?  I know these scenario&#039;s are very, very unlikely, but it&#039;s not impossible.  Now the likelyhood of both your drives failing AND the online backup having a problem are small enough that I wouldn&#039;t worry about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is still not failsafe. What if all 3 drives have the same flaw and fail at the same time.  I would prefer to do an online backup instead of messing with having a box permanantly at a friend/relative&#8217;s house.  What happens if both houses have pipes break or accidently spill something on both computers?  I know these scenario&#8217;s are very, very unlikely, but it&#8217;s not impossible.  Now the likelyhood of both your drives failing AND the online backup having a problem are small enough that I wouldn&#8217;t worry about it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Keep Your Data Forever by Christopher Camps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Camps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>neotoy:
You are absolutely correct, if your dataset grows faster than commodity drive sizes, you&#039;re in trouble.

If you work with raw video footage every day you&#039;re going to have to think about your strategy a bit more, but the same concepts will still apply.

We&#039;ve hit a rough patch right now because digital video is still relatively new, and drive sizes haven&#039;t caught up yet.  As soon as video stabilizes into its &quot;ultimate&quot; archival format (like music in flac format for example, think uncompressed 1080p...), your data collection will only grow linearly, whereas drive sizes will continue to grow exponentially.  This will take some time, but it will happen.

In the meantime it&#039;s important to identify what you really want to keep forever.  Personally I choose not to keep torrented shows or movies.  They will always be out there to download, there&#039;s no point hoarding them.  If you stick with backing up documents, photos and music you&#039;ll be ok.

Don&#039;t let an irrational need to back *everything* up keep you from backing up the things you hold most dear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neotoy:<br />
You are absolutely correct, if your dataset grows faster than commodity drive sizes, you&#8217;re in trouble.</p>
<p>If you work with raw video footage every day you&#8217;re going to have to think about your strategy a bit more, but the same concepts will still apply.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve hit a rough patch right now because digital video is still relatively new, and drive sizes haven&#8217;t caught up yet.  As soon as video stabilizes into its &#8220;ultimate&#8221; archival format (like music in flac format for example, think uncompressed 1080p&#8230;), your data collection will only grow linearly, whereas drive sizes will continue to grow exponentially.  This will take some time, but it will happen.</p>
<p>In the meantime it&#8217;s important to identify what you really want to keep forever.  Personally I choose not to keep torrented shows or movies.  They will always be out there to download, there&#8217;s no point hoarding them.  If you stick with backing up documents, photos and music you&#8217;ll be ok.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let an irrational need to back *everything* up keep you from backing up the things you hold most dear.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Keep Your Data Forever by neotoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>neotoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You cite Moore&#039;s law but you fail to take into account that some people accumulate data faster than drive capacity increases. Right now anyone with over 2TB of data will not be able to use your method. In six months I will have doubled my data, but 4TB drives will still not be available :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cite Moore&#8217;s law but you fail to take into account that some people accumulate data faster than drive capacity increases. Right now anyone with over 2TB of data will not be able to use your method. In six months I will have doubled my data, but 4TB drives will still not be available :(</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Keep Your Data Forever by Rhys</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just what I&#039;ve been looking for. A nice simple method for backing up my data. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just what I&#8217;ve been looking for. A nice simple method for backing up my data. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Keep Your Data Forever by Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a really nicely written and helpful article.  Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a really nicely written and helpful article.  Thanks</p>
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